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April 20, 2010

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nate

"You get known costs today as well as known costs for future expansion."

Yeah, known costs so you know it won't be cost effective really at any scale.

If it costs $2M to deploy for example, and you know it will cost another $1M to upgrade, compared to another better/faster/cheaper $600k system which you know you can double in capacity for at worst another $600k...

I went through this recently with cloud players, one of them wanted to charge $3M for installation on their UCS platform. I could literally build four full sites before I got close to their $3M number. And still save tons of money on the hosting fees.
Using superior equipment at the same time. It's not like I was building the cheapest of the cheap boxes. But I wasn't stupid to fork out $100,000 in memory for a dual socket server.

People kept bringing up "well is your organization able to handle managing that much equipment". And I would say - DUDE it's ONE storage array, and its EIGHT servers(very powerful ones), the entire thing fits in less than TWO RACKS. ITS NOT THAT COMPLICATED.

And when it comes down to it in a lot of cases the "stack" really doesn't seem to mean much once you get into the hypervisor at that point it seems most things are managed by that.

At least that company had the balls to quote us, three others declined to even quote because they ran the numbers and knew they were not cost effective. I had a good conversation with one of the company's lead engineers, very honest and nice person, he knew what I was talking about.

Stuart Savill

love this article - its oh so true... Stackwars have been going on for ages, just a little more primitive... now the vendors have now started to put together their *own* stacks - it gets even more intersting (or confusing?) to watch...

There are those that believe the end-to-end stacks in high up management places

There are those that can see beyond the idle promise and see what it really takes to make things work and the real cost of ownership / change etc...

One other point.. TCO for these *stacks* has anyone ever seen a *real* one??? i just have never a model that actually proves that this lot of hype has any mileage in it. I am not saying it doesnt, i just need to see proof.

Be it VCE, VCN, Hitachi, Oracle etc etc etc... its got a long way to go to prove any of the hype

Intresting that all these "Cloud" ideas presume that cloud services should always be based on hypervisor technologies also... Still dont get that (guess I am going into a different rant now!)

Laters!

marc farley

Nate, you certainly have a very direct way of shedding light on things otherwise obscured by the cloud!

Stuart, great point about the commonality of the hypervisor.... Hmmmm.... Can a stack survive in a hypervisor-free universe? If the hypervisor actually makes the stack work, why would anybody pay more for a stack or not try to put together the best possible solution for their needs.

As Nate put it: "DUDE it's ONE storage array, and its EIGHT servers(very powerful ones), the entire thing fits in less than TWO RACKS. ITS NOT THAT COMPLICATED."

Do the people running technology really want to abdicate their responsibility by buying stacks? I doubt it.

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