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January 27, 2010

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nate

the register article you point to is somewhat obsolete, though it does point out an important shift(or clarification) in their strategy

from "The actual server hardware is any X86-based server, meaning NetApp is not about to piss off any server hardware vendors by showing a preference for any particular brand."

to
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/26/cisc0_netapp_vmware/

"The CVN architecture is focussed on implementing heavily virtualised IT systems for private and public cloud deployments, and includes Cisco USC servers - we initially thought it wouldn't"

Their setup involves the new Cisco FCoE switches and FCoE servers but they seem to be relying on iSCSI and NFS rather than FC or FCoE. Which makes me think their customers will be wasting a ton of $$ for this extra hardware(and complexity) that they won't need.

Also it appears that NetApp datamotion only supports NFS and iSCSI, so that would explain why this solution doesn't advertise fiberchannel.

Not that I have an issue with NFS or iSCSI but just think they could go with a lower cost networking setup based on regular 10GbE ethernet then trying to hype the FCoE stuff even further. I would think that HP c Class blades with virtualconnect would be a much better fit given they are pure ethernet.

marc farley

Yes, the age of the link was intentional - it shouldn't have been a surprise to anybody and it was publicly known. I haven't looked at the networking details, but I wouldn't be surprised that it uses standard virtual LAN technology, which means Ethernet as opposed to FC and FCoE. Why FCoE would be necessary is interesting - is it a matter of will or is there a real need for it?

nate

Yeah it's using the ethernet-only part of FCoE I'm sure but the hardware they are using of course there's extra cost for a FCoE adapter vs normal ethernet same for switches, whether or not you actually use the technology.

Chuck Hollis

Hi Marc -- thanks for your thoughtful and insightful commentary on my post. You always bring a certain "something" to the discussion, especially when it's as important as security.

All kidding aside, security is not a joking matter for some. Bad things tend to happen when you think something is secure, and it's not.

At a different level, I think the work that NetApp did -- while not unique -- shows how you can separate multiple tenants in a virtualized environment. That's good.

It does nothing to show how tenants are protected from the service provider.

A nice start, but -- to anyone who has more than a casual background in security -- this can hardly be marketed as "secure multitenancy" with a straight face.

I chose three simple questions to illustrate the point. No one -- including you -- has responded.

But there's a lot of hooting and hollering from the monkey cages in the meantime!

-- Chuck

David Klem

@nate & @mark - The CVD process requires products to be both validated and shipping for customers. That requirement limits end-to-end FCoE use in the SMT solution due to no northbound FCoE support on UCS. However, the architecture was designed for a simple and easy migration to unified fabric / FCoE once support from all vendors is in place.

Stay tuned...

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