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August 04, 2009

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SPACRC (pronounced SPARK)

Marc

I do love this 'war' of words and statistics.

I do respect Barry. I used to work for EMC, and I have just started to blog. I posted my first yesterday about Thin Provisioning been 10 years late in ! You might want to read. Not quite sure what Barry's reaction to it, is going to be.

As SRJ said yesterday in his comment on Barry's blog, Barry is the master of bluster and bravado. I would use the word spin, though I think in this case his spin has spun, and has been left out to dry.

I would have expected a dip in any disk storage companies revenues for Q1 and Q2 of this year with the current world recession. Many customers just stopped buying primary storage, so I believe Just a Storage Guys comments on Barry's blog are misjudged.

So well done on filling in the missing part of the graph, and putting a different spin on it.

the storage anarchist

Ahh...fun with numbers.

But I notice you didn't publish the actual numbers now, did you.

Plotting percentage growth is oh so - misleading. But toss Data Domain's and EqualLogic's growth rates onto your chart, and you'll still get the point I made in my post.

Obvisouly I can't publish numbers that EMC chooses not to make public, nor can I comment on the accuracy of the numbers you used above. But I will point out that comparing 3PAR revenues to Symmetrix, while convenient, is apples to coconuts. Again you're struggling for relevance in a huge market, but comparing yourself to Symmetrix doesn't make you a competitor in that space. Comparison to CLARiiON would be more accurate, especially given your recent product announcements. Or perhaps, comparing to Symmetrix-PLUS-CLARiiON, for a true perspective.

But most importantly, it is no hidden secret that the mid-tier segment of the market is growing faster than the high-end (where Symmetrix remains #1 in market share). Why you want to claim a position in the high end beats me...

At less than $50M/quarter in revenues, 3PAR is inarguably an insignificant component of the external storage market at this juncture, no matter HOW you segment it.

marc farley

SPACRC, thanks for the comment and welcome to the storage blogosphere! Readers should check out his blog post on the history of thin provisioning here: http://bit.ly/18R7WN

marc farley

Anarchist, yes our numbers are much smaller than yours, but EMC was once much smaller than its bigger. more powerful competitors. We're OK with that problem at 3PAR. As for the high end market and the insanity of being in it - I don't know why EMC would introduce V-Max. Oh sure it can be configured to be small but with pricing fit for royal weddings.

Speaking of Clariion, it would be interesting to see it compared to EqualLogic and Data Domain on these graphs too. But that would be comparing apples to oranges again because we both know Data Domain makes a completely different kind of product, so lets just see if we can find a comparison of Clariion to EqualLogic anywhere - now THAT would be interesting. However, since I don't work for Dell EqualLogic any more, it's not my business to fight that fight and unfortunately I doubt anybody at Dell would have the guts to do it with their reseller agreement with EMC still in place.

Our mid range F-Class is doing well in the upper end of the mid-range market and unlike Clariion and Symmetrix, these products share the same reservationless architecture code base and are managed with the same tools and work together flawlessly for remote copy DR purposes.

So please keep thinking of us as crazies trying to gain market share in the high end with mid range products. That works for us.

Steven Schwartz - The SAN Technologist

I was going to say the same thing as the SA. I would think in general that Symm should be pretty flat, but Clariion would have a more of a typical up-swing. I also think that the Equallogic numbers are a weak estimate based on Michael Dell's comments about the PS-series revenue growth to the Register. (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/29/dell_equallogic_excels/)

SPACRC (pronounced SPARK)

Thank you for the welcome to the storageblogsphere. Hopefully I can add another interesting perspective to the world of storage blogs.
And thanks for the plug for my blog and my first post. I would not really call it the history of thin provisioning, but more a question on why did it take so long for the likes of EMC, HDS and IBM to deliver thin provisioning, and a high level summary of the impact this has had.

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